Security permissions.

No matter what is done to change permissions nothing happens. You can't even install apps like Incredimail as you aren't allowed access to system32 and no changes of permissions anywhere allows access. Without access the installer can't see the mfc.dll and so can't install. TTFN.

[285 byte] By [TheUnknownP] at [2008-2-6]

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Did you have a question?

RaymondChen-MSFT at 2007-9-9 >

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# 2

Once again the statements spawn their own questions. I guess this concept is lost on you. For instance. When I state simply "You can't even install apps like Incredimail as you aren't allowed access to system32 and no changes of permissions anywhere allows access. " Would you not be able to deduce your own question. For example: Why is the system not allowing access to the system32 folder for the installer? Easy isn't it? another example of a question that is initiated by the statement: What is in the folder that the installer is not allowed to access? (in this case it was a .dll) TTFN.

TheUnknownP at 2007-9-9 >

# 3

I have enough trouble answering questions that are asked explicitly. Getting me to try to extrapolate questions from answers is an even riskier task. Windows Vista comes with improved protection of system files. You can read more about it here http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/overvw.mspx and here http://www.microsoft.com/technet/windowsvista/evaluate/feat/mngfeat.mspx . If you are the author of Incredimail, perhaps you can describe in more detail what you're doing; I can try to find somebody who can help you rewrite your installer to work with Windows Vista.

RaymondChen-MSFT at 2007-9-9 >

# 4

LOL extrapolation should be one of you skill sets. I shan't bother you further. TTFN.

TheUnknownP at 2007-9-9 >

# 5

l like yourself am having a problem with Incredimail,never had any problem with previous PC`s since buying a new laptop from Dell all l get is a message saying make sure i`m connected to the internet(which l am)and to try again later,any guidence would be welcome.

howe356 at 2007-9-9 >

# 6

Raymond Chen - MSFT wrote:
Windows Vista comes with improved protection of system files.

I suppose "improved protection" is one way of putting it. While I am all for increased security I would have to label Windows Vista in it's present state as incredibly overly paranoid. It is always asking for permission to do just about any bloody thing you've already requested by clicking on a link/icon. The AntiVirus I've managed to install (avast!) always needs permission to run every time the OS boots. Although the default account setup is under the Administrators user group simple things like having the rights to change a desktop icon are denied. No...sorry....you have to do that logged on as administrator. What? You want to log on as administrator. Oh...you can only do that in safe mode.So far I see a looming IT support nightmare ahead =8-0

Cheers,

Feadan

P.S. No, Raymond, I don't have a question either. Just these general observations and loads of end user frustration.

Feadan at 2007-9-9 >

# 7

After working in the IT industry for 14 years starting as a simple ISP tech working my way to current as a CIO for a Medical corporation I can honestly state that in Vista's current state (Build 5308) I would never deploy this in any of my facilities.

I use Microsoft and UNIX Sco and AIX systems for good reason, and dislike Macintosh for my own reasons, this OS resembles Mac OS 8 with its overly paranoid system settings but at least in OS 8 I could delete directories (Even if they didnt truly get deleted)

1: The Security Permissions are there for Administrative tasks, without them corporate environments could not function in network structures - Example: When I set permissions on a directory to allow full control for User1, Administrator, Domain Admins, DHCP Admins, and DNS Admins I want those permissions enforced. What I dont want is to set those permissions and then have windows deny the use of, deletion of, or modification of a file or folder.

2: This "Enhanced Security" is great for Client systems and Home users without computer knowladge - Well it would be if there were better ways to support the system.

3: These "Enhance Security" features also corupt Microsoft software such as Office 2003 (2 out of 4 OS instalations) One Note, Small Business Accounting, Viso, and Speach Recognition. But at least PGP works with this build.

Are you going to add in a Prefs folder so when someone calls my support desk people they can tell them to "Trash the Prefs and Reboot" ?

Cyberflight at 2007-9-9 >

# 8

This is an old post, but if you are still monitoring it, my question is, who is trusted installer and how do I get to be one? He has full control, whereas administrator does not. As an example, I tried to tell my antivirus software to ignore svchost.exe and Vista said I don't have permission to open this file, it being in System32 folder. Trend Micro beta for Vista sees svchost.exe as a potential trojan. I ended up telling the software to ignore all of System32 and that stopped the popup warning me that svchost.exe is a possible trojan. This does not seem like the ideal solution, however. I would think I would want Trend Micro to monitor system32 folder. I think Microsoft has taken security to a ridiculous level. I have been using Vista beta 2, Build 5384. If the commercial release functions this way in terms of security permissions, I will not buy it. No way in hell!

SkyPilot007 at 2007-9-9 >

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