Does TFS Includes VSS?

If I buy TFS do I need to buy alsoVSS? or it includes version control for documents and source code?
[101 byte] By [LuisEstebanValenciaMCP.] at [2007-12-17]
# 1

A big part of Team Foundation Server is a new version control system built from the ground up. It uses SQL Server 2005 databases to store version controlled items. So no, you don't need Visual Source Safe. But you do need to buy one of the Visual Studio 2005 Team System SKUs, each of which include a CAL that allows access to the TF Server. I'm not sure if there is going to be a stand-alone Team Explorer (w/CAL) SKU for doc writers, etc.

KeithHill at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 2
Oh and before you ask, you don't need to buy SQL Server 2005 either. It comes with the Team Foundation Server SKU.
KeithHill at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 3
Even in dual machine installation?
# 4
What do you mean by dual machine installation? If you want to install effectively two different TF Servers then you need two TF Servers (licenses). However, if you just want to install the App tier on one machine and the Data tier on another machine, that is support by a single TF Server (license).
KeithHill at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 5
There needs to be a stand alone explorer with full capabilities. Virtually every project and place where I have consulted they have used SCC to store non source documents related to the code. I am trying to get to the bottom of this question - see my post at http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=118328
hsiceo at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 6
A couple of clarifications. Actually if you want to install TFS in the 2 server configuration you are supposed to have 2 TFS licenses. The license is per machine that you install on. You only need 1 client access for each user, however, regardless of how many servers that user accesses.

You certainly can (and we expect people will) store non-source documents under version control. The Team Explorer installer will install a "stand alone" client. This client will just contain Team Foundation functionality - no debugger, projects, etc. Users who use Team Explorer to access one or more servers still need a Client Access License even though the setup comes with the server.

BrianHarry at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 7

We have installed Beta 3 TFS and it is working fine using our RC1 installed developer clients. We have also installed just the TFS client on machines without the full IDE. Our problem is that the Source Explorer on the TFS client only machines does allow the checkout or creation of new files or of folders (these functions are grayed out). Is this a bug, a configuration problem or something that is not working yet in Beta 3? We have not been able to find any settings that control this behavior. This is why we are asking whether the stand-alone client will be full featured for version control.

hsiceo at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 8
My guess is that was a bug. I know we have had problems getting the menus enabled properly in the stand-alone configurate (but I thought we had it working for Beta 3). I'll forward this to someone on the version control team to look at.
BrianHarry at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 9
If you install just the TFS client (aka Team Explorer) and not the full IDE, you should still have access to the full range of source control features via the Source Control Explorer tool window. If the SCC menus and toolbar buttons are grayed out, then there are a number of things that could be causing the problem.

1) Are you connected to a TFS Server? You can check this by going to the Team Explorer tool window and seeing if a Team Project hierarchy is shown.

2) Do you have at least one Team Project created. The first level nodes (just below the root, $/) in the SCC repository must be team project folders. It's possible that much of the SCC functionality will be greyed out if a team project does not yet exist.

--Ben Ryan

BenRyan at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 10
See my reply in post http://forums.microsoft.com/msdn/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=118328.

In Beta 2, the only way I could get the standalone client to work for sourcecontrol was to manually create a local folder mapping in the workspace by using the command line. I have to admit that I haven't installed the Beta 3 stand-alone client yet so don't know if the menu option is still lost or just hiding. Hopefully someone from the team will reply.

MartinWoodward at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 11
In my post I failed to mention that we are connected to our Team Server and browsing a particular project. All files in the project are visible and we can access certain functions including checkin, label, history, etc. but not checkout, new folder or add files.
hsiceo at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...
# 12
hsiceo wrote:
In my post I failed to mention that we are connected to our Team Server and browsing a particular project. All files in the project are visible and we can access certain functions including checkin, label, history, etc. but not checkout, new folder or add files.

It sounds like the folder you're browsing is not in your workspace mappings. The dialog where you set up your local workspaces is File -> Source Control -> Workspaces. Or from Source Control Explorer, click the Workspace dropdown -> Workspaces.
RichardBergMSFT at 2007-9-9 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Team System,Team Foundation Server - General...

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