the forum does not render properly when browsed with opera

the forum does not render properly when browsed with opera
[58 byte] By [connect2sandeep] at [2007-12-18]
# 1

Thank you for submitting this request. We are working on supporting additional browsers. At this time, I do not have an ETA on Opera since it is not a frequently used browser on the forums. If we decide to fully support Opera, I will post an announcement. I encourage you to select another browser until then and I apologize for the inconvenience.

Thanks

Jana Carter

Forums Product Manager

Jana at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 2

...I do not have an ETA on Opera since it is not a frequently used browser on the forums...

Well, if it worked properly on the forums, you'd see more people using it..

And the only thing that appears to be wrong with Opera for me is the reply window. Browsing the actual forums using Opera is fine. This is because Opera is not (yet) compatible with HTML Rich-text areas (it's not in the RFC's, therefore they don't have to support it).The rich text editor should try and detect what browser the user is using. If they are using a compatible one, show the rich editor, otherwise, show a standard textarea. Learn from other text editors, such as FCKEditor

Also, not many forums have rich text editors (I hate forums that do). You should use a standard textarea, along with BBCode (like *normal* forums) :D

--daniel15

Daniel15 at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 3
You have to test with all the browsers each webpage... not only with Internet Explorer. Please, we want a Microsoft compatible with Firefox or software from another company.
Electrican_MV at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 4

The forums team has two supported browsers: Firefox and Internet Explorer. There are currently a couple of minor rendering problems with Firefox currently, but we chose to support those two browsers because they support 99.99% of our customers. If somebody is doing Microsoft development, it's probably not a leap of faith to assume that they have a current version of Internet Explorer on their computer. We receive more hits on these forums from IE, Firefox, Netscape, Mozilla, and Safari than Opera.

The rich text box exists because these are development forums, and we wanted our users to be able to cut and paste code samples from Visual Studio (which needs fixing, but we are working on it).

JoeMorel-MSFT at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 5

The rich text box exists because these are development forums, and we wanted our

However, there are several problems with the rich text box... It's full of bugs! (just like Internet Explorer :P) The formatting goes weird at times (on one of my posts, the text went really small, so I had to edit it to make the size larger). Also, I doubt that developers would really need a forum where they can change font color, font face, paragraph style, add smilies/emoticons, etc. Why not just use BBCode? This is what most *normal* forum software does (SMF, phpBB, myBB, punBB, vBulletin, IPB, YaBB, ..., ..., .....).

Also, can't you just detect if the user is running Opera, and if so, just show a textarea? The only reason it doesn't work on Opera (well, the only reason I've come across) is that you use a rich text editor. If you only supported other browsers by having a textarea fallback, these forums would be a lot more friendly.

Daniel15 at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 6
the forum has to have a wider reach even when people are using much less popular browsers such as opera. as for supporting safari? when did MS port .net to Mac OS! Opera users are probably Windows users as well, so preference should be given to Windows users. make the site at least usable to opera users by changing the rich textbox to plain textbox for opera users.
connect2sandeep at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 7

Ever get the feeling we've been here before?

http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=182725&SiteID=1

MichaelLuke at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 8

Bumping for the release of Opera 9...

Version 9 is supposed to support rich text editing in some fashion but I still don't see the edit box on the MSDN forums (this post is composed with IE6). Anyone else have more success?

ChrisNahr at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 9

Version 9 is supposed to support rich text editing in some fashion but I still don't see the edit box on the MSDN forums (this post is composed with IE6). Anyone else have more success?

That's because Microsoft's code is still disabling Opera from having *any* textbox at all (I mean, even a plain textarea would be good!). Opera does indeed have this functionality to match Internet Explorer and Firefox, as TinyMCE is fully compatible with Opera

Daniel15 at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 10
Well, that's just ridiculous. So rather than not explicitly supporting Opera, these forums are deliberately disabling the browser? WTF?
ChrisNahr at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 11

I was trying to look through their code to see if I could get it working on Opera, but their code is so badly structured that I couldn't understand it

EDIT: There appears to be an error in the JavaScript:

JavaScript - http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/AddPost.aspx?PostID=512952&SiteID=1&ReturnUrl=
Inline script compilation
Syntax error while loading: line 217 of linked script at
http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/scripts/MSNCompat.js :
get xml(){ return (new XMLSerializer()).serializeToString(
-^

:P

EDIT2: Just to prove to Microsoft that it is possible to have a rich-text editor on Opera, take a look at http://tinymce.moxiecode.com/example_full.php?example=true . Please, we want a plain <textarea> back, please!

Daniel15 at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 12
Daniel15 wrote:

It's full of bugs! (just like Internet Explorer :P)

Also opera has some amazing bugs.

As a disadvantage , no bug list is available.

Ma?o at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 13
hi
i use Opera 9.01 but this forum does not match with this version!
why?
PersianAmir at 2007-9-8 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...