SP4 Bugs here

I'll start the SP4 'Bug' list here.

I can't copy from the post that I am replying to. The post is clearly in the Message pane above the response pane, but trying to highlight and copy text is not allowed.

Sometimes I just want to copy and paste a line or few from the OP -not quote the entire message.

Bummer!

[347 byte] By [ArnieRowland] at [2008-1-9]
# 1
Arnie Rowland wrote:

Bummer!



>I can't copy from the post that I am replying to.

I am not seeing that in Firefox. I can cut an paste both from the top message box or edit within the quoted region.

OmegaMan at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 2
Yes, works in FF, doesn't work in IE. Passport problems are not fixed, still triggering endless redirects. Old tricks didn't work, only clearing *all* cookies got me back in. Home page still shows you signed-in when you're not, triggering endless redirects when you try to post. In both IE and FF, changing the font in the post editor scrolls the page back to the top. In FF *all* the toolbar commands scroll the page back. VERY painful when answering a long post. Crud, they couldn't possibly have missed that while testing, looks like I'll have to learn to live with that. Ugh.

Hey Jeremy: Joe told you why he was blocking SP4 deployment, right?

nobugz at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 3
My previous post looks weird when viewed in IE. FF shows it wide with a ragged right-hand outline, IE shows it narrow with a straight right-hand. Kinda nice perhaps, but I wonder what happens to code. Let's try it:

using System;
using System.Threading;

namespace ConsoleApplication1 {
class Program {
static void Main(string[] args) {
Console.WriteLine("Main thread = {0}", Thread.CurrentThread.ManagedThreadId);
WaitCallback dlg = new WaitCallback(test);
dlg.BeginInvoke(null, null, null);
ThreadPool.QueueUserWorkItem(test2);
Console.ReadLine();
}
private static void test(object state) {
Console.WriteLine("Delegate invoke thread = {0}", Thread.CurrentThread.ManagedThreadId);
Console.WriteLine("Delegate invoke IsBackground = {0}", Thread.CurrentThread.IsBackground);
}
private static void test2(object state) {
Console.WriteLine("Threadpool thread = {0}", Thread.CurrentThread.ManagedThreadId);
Console.WriteLine("Threadpool thread's IsBackground = {0}", Thread.CurrentThread.IsBackground);
}
}
}

nobugz at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 4

I confirm not being able to even select text in the top "Message" box of the "Replying to an Existing message" page. If I use right-click, "Select all" on that pane it picks up the text in my reply. This is IE6. I, too, use this technique a lot, so it is really frustrating and is going to eat into my reply time...

Another annoying problem I've come across is, if I copy something from another web page (KB article title or it's URL) and paste it into the reply box, I can't use Alt+Tab to move to another window. There's a "blink", then I'm still in the "Reply to an Existing Message".

I can get out using the mouse to choose a window from the task bar. But darn it! I'm using the keyboard and want to keep my hands there :-)

I'm also seeing inconsistent layout of messages on the first page of a forum. The "notice" messages at the top are HUGE, and take up a lot of vertical space, compared to the actual message list. This is especially annoying in a forum with a lot of notices and "pinned" messages.

Edit: add to the list that the "http://" is no longer selected when using the hyperlink tool, so one can no longer just paste and confirm. You first have to delete the text that's in there.

CindyMeister at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 5
Cr*p, cr*p, cr*p, CRAAAAP! Can't post C++ code because of smileys, can't post VB.NET code because of line breaks. C# is left I guess.

Code Snippet

Hang on, snippets now work in FF. Changes font and scrolls the page though. Wonder if they have the CSS problem too. Just keep typing to fill up a line with idle chatter.


Nope, gets clipped too. Wonderful.
Edit: and renders as Arial although Courier was the selected font. Wonderful.
nobugz at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 6

Last week I had a case of a poster asking a new question in an unrelated thread. The poster had received one answer by the time I split the thread into a new one. Then he received a few more answers in the newly created thread. So far so good.

With the new version of the software, I went to mark two answers (none were marked by the OP). I marked the first one (done under the old thread) and another answer from the new thread.

The marked answer (coming from the original thread before being split) change to RE: (original thread title here), not the title of the newly created thread! The other marked anxer, which was done after the split looks fine.

See post: http://forums.microsoft.com/MSDN/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=1889593&SiteID=1

AlexFeldstein at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 7
Time zone doesn't take into account daylight saving time.

I'm in the central us and fall under the "central time zone." Currently we are at -5 hrs UTC (Daylight Saving Time), not -6 hrs when we're on Daylight Standard Time.

I know, I know, because daylight saving time doesn't apply to all locations it's hard to implement, but the daylight saving time rules are the same (that is, start and end dates), so you could add a check box indicating my preference to adhere to daylight saving time or not.

PhilBrammer at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 8
Yup, I lied and selected Eastern instead of Central. How on Earth did that pass Testing?
nobugz at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 9
nobugz wrote:
Yup, I lied and selected Eastern instead of Central. How on Earth did that pass Testing?

Which is why I've always been an advocate of having a test server that mods have access to to publicly test these service packs. I know there's also replication that goes on, but many of the bugs are specific to the forums software -- not IIS or SQL Server.

PhilBrammer at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 10

Talk about a trial by fire this morning... I'll see what I can do about figuring out what any potential hotfix schedule might look like. There's some cross-over on this release between my team and the forums team on some of the engineering work for this release.

nobugz wrote:

Hey Jeremy: Joe told you why he was blocking SP4 deployment, right?

Quite the contrary, Joe's been jumping up and down pounding on tables to get this out the door.

As soon as more people are in the office I'll have a better (hopefully) reply for what the story is going forward. In the mean time I'll forward this thread to some of the people I know need to look at the issues. Don't forget to also use the forums bug reporting forum so the issues don't get lost!

Despite any of the problems, what do you guys think overall of SP4 so far? Is it an improvement?

Thanks,

-Jeremy

JeremyKelley-MSFT at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 11
Phil Brammer wrote:
nobugz wrote:
Yup, I lied and selected Eastern instead of Central. How on Earth did that pass Testing?

Which is why I've always been an advocate of having a test server that mods have access to to publicly test these service packs. I know there's also replication that goes on, but many of the bugs are specific to the forums software -- not IIS or SQL Server.

One crisis at a time. Smile I'll file that suggestion away for the next time I meet with the forums team.

JeremyKelley-MSFT at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 12
Jeremy Kelley - MSFT wrote:

Despite any of the problems, what do you guys think overall of SP4 so far? Is it an improvement?

Thanks,

-Jeremy

I'm in favor of so many changes and welcome SP4 with open arms.

PhilBrammer at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 13
Jeremy Kelley - MSFT wrote:

Despite any of the problems, what do you guys think overall of SP4 so far? Is it an improvement?

Changes always take getting used to, but I have the feeling I'm having to work harder... At least the text seems to have stopped jumping around in the window as I type. Other than that, I don't notice any changes that affect me in a positive way - mostly appears to be "eye candy". but perhaps there are things I simply don't use that have been improved?

I do wish the "Post" and "Cancel" buttons were closer to the editing window, they're way off below and to the right, which means I have to scroll in order to post.

I also find it a bit disconcerting that the "buttons" in the line where the poster's name is apparently have a vertical "centered" alignment, rather than staying at the top. As soon as a post is marked as answered, that line gets very tall, the buttons move around. Looks very untidy.

Edit: I take it back. There is one HUGE improvement: clicking on a "page number" of a long thread actually takes me to that page. I can live with that <g>

CindyMeister at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...
# 14

Testing the text editor and code bugs:

Code Snippet

int i;

int j;

for(int x; x > 5; x++)

{

i = x;

}

Now I'm going to test the word wrapping. How's the word wrapping working? Keep typing, I'm typing, blah, blah, blah, blah, looks fine to me.

JoeMorel-MSFT at 2007-10-3 > top of Msdn Tech,Feedback for forums and MSDN websites,Bug Reports for Forums website...