Editing XAML - am I missing something ?

I have the latest release, AFAIK, and Cider is useless - I cannot type into the XAML editor, and using the drag and drop is a waste of time. Expression is a ton better ( read, it can be used ), but is missing the most basic features ( how about search, let alone search and replace, or auto indent of XML, or even being able to use TAB to indent a section of XAML ). I realise it's pre-release, but surely the code for those common features is trivial enough to be put in early and make the tool useful ?

Or are they there and I'm just too dumb to find them ?

[577 byte] By [cgraus] at [2008-2-13]
# 1
Cider is a great tool but have some issues sometimes.

But there is no problems with the XAML editor. Why do you say that you cannot type into it ? what's the problem/error ?

Bye

ThomasLEBRUN at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 2
These tools are still beta, so don't expect perfect functionality.. I use 3 at the time: VS for it's instellisence + XAMLpad for quick tests + EID if I want to know how it works under the convers.
KonstantinGonikman at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 3

Approx every 20th key press registers, and the characters < and > NEVER work. I assumed it was just a problem with the beta, you're saying this only happens to me ?

cgraus at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 4

Sure, I accept that. However, Cider for me does not register almost all key presses, and Expression is just missing basic stuff that would take a day to throw together, and the absence of that stuff surely is annoying people using it within MS as much as without ?

cgraus at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 5
cgraus wrote:

Approx every 20th key press registers, and the characters < and > NEVER work. I assumed it was just a problem with the beta, you're saying this only happens to me ?

Yes: this never happened to me ....

ThomasLEBRUN at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 6
I think the people within MS are using a build that is far beyond FebCTP.. Elsewise you're right, it's a beta testing pain.
KonstantinGonikman at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 7

Are you also experiencing this XML editing problem if you open up the XAML file with the XML Editor? What about the code-behind for the XAML file?

To do this, right-click the XAML file and select the "Open With..." option. Then select the "XML Editor" option from the dialog and click OK.

None of us here have encountered that problem.

dowens-msft at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 8

We've made great strides in terms of quality since the Feb CTP and we are excited to be able to share that with you in the next CTP. (TBA)

That said, you are the first to complain about key presses not registering, please let us know if this continues to be a problem if you uninstall all preview releases and upgrade to the next CTP.

Thanks,

Jim

JimNakashima-MSFT at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 9

I have the same problem. I downloaded the CTP Development Tools for WinFX from this location

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=AD0CE56E-D7B6-44BC-910D-E91F3E370477&displaylang=en

and it does just the same: I cannot edit the XAML files using the XAML editor (though I can paste into them, which is, obviously, useless). Also, in the designer, I cannot remove controls. The only way I can do that is going this time to the XAML editor and deleting or cutting the code from the XML file (which like pasting work).

MariusBancila at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 10

Do any of you experiencing this problem have any 3rd party addins installed for Visual Studio?

antonioa at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 11
I am using Visual Assist X.
MariusBancila at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 12
Bingo. I have VAX as well ( although I only have it because I use VC6 a lot, I don't use it in VS2005 ).
cgraus at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 13
However, I am curious to know how would VAX affect the editing capabilities of Cider.
MariusBancila at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...
# 14

That's a good question, however, as VAX is so far the first add in NOT to cause VS2005 instability, it does not surprise me.

cgraus at 2007-9-10 > top of Msdn Tech,Visual Studio Orcas,WPF Designer (Cider)...

Visual Studio Orcas

Site Classified